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  1. Donald T. Rush says:

    What’s New ???

  2. Bob Brown says:

    Has there been a change in the JLCNY website? I keep getting a 403, access forbidden message, no matter how I try to access. Or have they closed the original website and are only on Facebook now?
    Also, has anyone heard that the NYS ban may be reconsidered? I came across something the other day, and now I can’t find it. Almost like the article containing the comment was yanked.

    • PeterO says:

      The JLCNY site has been VERY slow now and then but is up. The NYS reconsider thing was just a rumor as I understood it, Unschackle Upstate asked Gov Cuomo to reconsider the fracking ban but it is unlikely that he will do that.

  3. vicky says:

    How was the picnic? Anything positive coming our way? Thanks in advance.

  4. Bob Brown says:

    Here’s an article from last December, from the Pittsburgh Tribune, regarding both gas fracking and CO2 fracking. It ddiscusses initial cost, and the savings from not dealing with recovered water from the hydrofracked wells. But it provides very little as far as production volume, and the net costs versus hydrofracking.
    I believe that when the LNG export depots start opening, later this year, the natural gas price will rise again, possibly as high as $7 to $8. Then we will see a much stronger press to use these “dry” fracking methods, to allow fracking in NYS.
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    http://triblive.com/business/headlines/7306534-74/gas-environmental-fracking#axzz3gYwBNkco

  5. Bob Brown says:

    Here are a couple of studies about propane gas fracking, and Gasfrac.
    From the isee site, “The Journal of International Solutions for Energy and the Environment (iSEE) is a collaboration between the Energy, Resources and Environment (ERE) Program at the Johns Hopkins University Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) and the SAIS Energy & Environment Club (EEC). The iSEE journal is uniquely defined by its focus on practical and scaleable solutions to daunting global challenges.
    Coyote Gulch is a private blog, from Colorado, regarding water issues for the State. They are following propane gas fracking due to concerns about hydrofracking, in relation to the water resources of the State. I was surprised to find what sounds like a supportive post for any kind of fracking.
    According to the studies, the production volume is as good, or better, than it is with hydrofracking.
    Gasfrac has done significant testing in Texas, with very good results, especially in the Eagle Ford play. There are tests going on currently, in Pennsylvania and Ohio, in both the Marcellus and Utica shales. I am trying to obtain the results of these tests, and will post them if I am successful.
    Frankly, with the investments that Shell has made, in Tioga County, PA., I think discussions with Shell might be a good direction to take, for the SCLOC. Possibly several issues could be addressed, including trying propane gas fracking, in Steuben, and dealing with the decades old Dominion storage leases, if SCLOC members leased to Shell, as a block. But that is my opinion, and others may know of reasons that it wouldn’t be feasible.
    I hope these links clarify some issues about gas fracking, for those here.
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    http://iseejournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/EDITED-for-Posting.-Cabrales-Paper-1-Policy-to-Drive-EI-2.pdf
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    https://coyotegulch.wordpress.com/2014/12/27/oil-and-gas-exploration-with-liquefied-petroleum-gas-gel-for-hydraulic-fracturing-to-reduce-dependence-on-water/

  6. scloc coalition member in pa says:

    The results with propane gel or “gasfrac” have been less than great. However the larger question is, will NY allow ANY drilling or fossil fuel production? If the propane gel frac is allowed and produces anything close to hvhf, then many landowners will be on board. If NY’s end goal is to “kill the drill” the state will just tax it or regulate out of existance. Call the Governor, senators, legislators, newspapers, tv stations and express your views! NY is obviously run by mob rule and politics, not truth and science. If everyone who wants drilling in the southern tier took action, Steuben county would have drilling by now. I don’t have much hope for NY, too many democrats…antidrilling has become a “progressive” (communist) platform

  7. vicky says:

    Where’s the discussion concerning todays article about TIOGA liquefied petroleum gas?????

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